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  • kid_fullerene
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    Originally posted by dlam View Post
    I know this a is an old thread But I been watching some video in 2015 discussing lead arm in the golf swing by Shawn and they have been golden I believe to have efficient motion it has to be a “backhand swing” with the lead hand right
    hand for left swing and left hand for righty swing.
    I basically use a forehand approach only for putting or wedge shots shots around the around as striking/striking techniques.

    HI dlam, Aloha WIG Friends around the world..

    glad to see you bringing some focus back on to the whole 'arms thing'..

    Been mulling over some of these same concepts in parallel .. over the past few years, I've been looking at varieties of swing concepts in comparison with WIG and some of Shawn's most basic teachings.

    I'm happy to move this to some other discussion if need be - I don't want to 'thread jack' this -

    But one thing that I noticed earlier this year was Shawn's having the hands form one grip and work together as a Unit..

    key concept - that the hands and arms become One Thing.. and that resulting unit works together through the swing.

    I'll stretch the point a little - as it finally clicked for me just before the end of this year's golf season - where I actually had the hands not so much 'taking turns' .. a distinct sense of pressure going back and then having to hold off the Right hand or using it as part of a 'hit'..

    well .. long story short, for whatever reason .. I got into a zone where I had the right things working .. and the hands suddenly became available to be 1 Grip and work together as 1 thing..

    hmmmmm...

    I think it also gets into the whole notion of how your grip is constructed on the handle.. you get it wrong .. and your hands can't become 1 with the club.. that which you need to have it work as a unit simply isn't completely available ..

    and as a result -- you work with what you've got ..

    it's the capacity that you build into your system that begins to determine your actual swing and shot potential..

    I guess that's a bit overly basic .. but for me .. a bit of a mini breakthrough..

    cheers for now

    k_f

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  • dlam
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    I know this a is an old thread But I been watching some video in 2015 discussing lead arm in the golf swing by Shawn and they have been golden I believe to have efficient motion it has to be a “backhand swing” with the lead hand right
    hand for left swing and left hand for righty swing.
    I basically use a forehand approach only for putting or wedge shots shots around the around as striking/striking techniques.

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  • steka
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    Love that new video Shawn!

    Attention, long text.

    I have been to the range again yesterday and a few sensations occurred to me.
    • i said i slice with all techniques, be it WIG, Textbook, whatsoever. I need to make an adjustment, it is a straight slice, not a pull or push slice. Starts on target line, slices away. For me this is a result of club face open to path due to flipping the hands at the ball
    • until some point yesterday i didn't really have that expansive feeling getting into the backswing and really turning my hips
    • i thought the feeling of having my shoulders slightly turned at address due to braced tilt when playing a fade / neutral flight is a bad thing and may only occur when playing a draw.
    • to have a club face that is square at impact i need a grip that is much stronger than i would have thought. It is showing 4-5 knuckles on the left hand at address

    I went for a really expansive feeling, but also a feeling of taking away the club in line with the target line. What i found is that i need to take away the club much more to the outside to have a feeling of being able to access the target. To achieve the feeling of expansiveness i experienced a real big hip turn for the first time!

    Initiating the downswing i had a feeling that i tried to throw the club to the target, getting my hips out of the way in sync with that and really opening up to the target.

    I did that and was then pull-slicing the balls for some reason, not bad, it could even be described as a fade, but it didn't feel right because i felt how my arms didn't feel expanded after impact. I could have never thrown a club to the target this way, it was manipulated !

    So i worked on that in the progress... and felling an expansiveness through the downswing all of a sudden resultet in me turning my head to the target much earlier, it felt like ages before the impact !
    So i was already beginning to look at the target when the ball departed from the ground, it shot into my field of view from underneath, great sensation.
    I felt that this was the kind of move i would have done to throw the club to the target and all of a sudden i really felt how i didn't pay attention to the ball anymore, and i wasn't even looking at it anymore at the moment of impact.

    Results were great. Straight flight to the target, good distance and a really effortless swing.

    Yes, i can hit it a little bit further, probably a club's length, if i really concentrate on hinging the club as much as i can into the backswing, shift the weight forward and get through the ball nicely. But it is distance without a lot of control and it is not very repeatable for me. And on the course it is a different story! I don't get that kind of length on the course, whereas doing the WIG imagination on course always felt very natural to me and produced the same results like on the range.

    I guess i expected WIG to be an easy golf swing and i guess it really is, but the hard thing is to give away the habit of the urge to control the shot. I was just throwing something in the paper bin and i sure as hell haven't controlled that move.
    I will stick to the idea of throwing the club to the target in an expansive matter!

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  • Shawn Clement
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    The good part about the rope is you can use the intensity that you want; it is not too bad actually!

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  • IMspintheweb
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    the rope looks a little heavy - am going to pass on THAT drill...


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  • IMspintheweb
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    kid_fullerene - I LOVE your intro preambles! And to the OP - definitely watch Jen's swing analysis - it's fully wigged out in just a few minutes!

    I started playing by taking lessons at a local course (gonna plug them cuz it's a really cool course! http://www.fossiltrace.com - go look!) and that got the wheels turning but it's been WIG that has made me feel like a golfer. Do PMD and OLD a few times a day and take the ball out of the equation, just concentrate on cutting the grass both ways, nice and wide, and let your body do the rest - that'll become your swing and then you can move on to shaping your shots - and I know that it's the constant "doing" that makes it all work because I have not been drilling recently and my game shows it...

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  • Shawn Clement
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    Thanks Steka! Appreciate the ribbing! . Hey, this 50 year old body has gone through some changes in the last 2 years and we are just starting to get the hang of it, 2016 will be epic!

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  • steka
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    You lost a club's length on your shots ? Sorry, Shawn, but here at WIG we don't deal with short hitters...

    Honestly, the video you uploaded yesterday with a swing analysis of Jens' swing was a short cut to WIG for me. Pure gold for everyone suffering from the same swing flaw(s)

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  • Shawn Clement
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    Very cool thread you guys! I have a new video coming out soon on the Premium channel and in a couple weeks on the regular channel on how to use a "fitness rope" which is a modified nautical large gauge rope to feel not only how to retract properly with a full leg and hip turn in the backswing, but also feel how BOTH sides of the body are used to "heave-fling" it to the target. It not only gave me back the one club distance that was missing since my weight loss, it took my right side much more out of the shot where I have been feeling some muscle soreness the last couple years since the weight loss as well. For me, a real game changer and I can't wait for you to see it! Shawn

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  • steka
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    Originally posted by BogiesRBad View Post


    I've added a picture of a "heel strike". Notice which part of the hand the girl is striking the man with? Do you think she could do as much damage if she "slapped" him? Take that sensation and apply it to your right hand - the wrist has to be bent back at impact. In your case, you are trying to strike the ball with your "fingers", much like a slap as opposed to the heel, which is more powerful.


    Bogie[ATTACH=CONFIG]n3287[/ATTACH]
    Wow, this is something! Great input and immediately creates a feeling in my head without even swinging the club. Can't wait to get on the range next days and try to figure out if it transfers to reality.

    And Cally, i really feel what you're saying, because for me to have my power source just riding along is not the correct feel.
    I also putt this way, my right hand guides the putter and the left is just on the grip to give it less freedom to move about.

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  • BogiesRBad
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    Originally posted by steka View Post
    Thank you guys, this is amazing feedback.
    Bogies, it is exactly this picture that is bugging me about my swing. I have great power, great stability and am so interested in this game and passionate about everything i do, it really hurts my eyes to see i'm giving myself a hard time by not opening up the hips enough and not having a proper transition.
    Admittedly, what you see there is not my "WIG Swing". It is me trying to achieve what my pro told me, because i still find it hard to find support for the WIG method other than through shawn or this forum (which is excellent).

    However! I have the same flaw with both swings. It is proof to me that both swing ideas basically work.
    My wig swing is a lot more powerful because i open up the hips more and by letting the club hinge my wrists i have some nice wrist angle.
    But with both swings i don't get my weight on the left foot enough and most importantly, i dont clear my hips enough.

    I know Shawn references the throwing the club analogy lately and I've tried that as well. I can throw a club to a target no problem. But i just feel that by applying my right hand/arm i could do so much more. There is so much more feel, control and power in that right arm.
    What analogy could help to utilize that ?
    Is there really such a thing like pushing with the right hand and virtually muting the left hand ?

    My pro says "the right hand is just along for the ride", but is there a vice versa for the left hand ?
    Steka:

    I've highlighted two sentences in your post that I'll address. Being right hand dominant (I am too) you feel that all your power comes from your right hand/arm. That's OK if you use your right side properly. At times, my right hand wants to instinctively take over (very evident on short chips and pitches for me). My right hand becomes active and I'll flip the club, so I have to fight the sensation. I do this by having very light pressure with my right hand, almost to the point of barely holding the club.

    Secondly, pushing with the right hand and virtually muting the left hand: I feel that the lead hand (my left) steers the club face, and the trailing hand (my right) applies the power. But that power has to be applied properly.

    I've added a picture of a "heel strike". Notice which part of the hand the girl is striking the man with? Do you think she could do as much damage if she "slapped" him? Take that sensation and apply it to your right hand - the wrist has to be bent back at impact. In your case, you are trying to strike the ball with your "fingers", much like a slap as opposed to the heel, which is more powerful.

    And finally, if you find that you aren't getting your weight over onto your left side, try doing some one legged swings, with all of your weight on your left side and your right toe just barely touching the ground.

    A number of years ago, I watched a video put out by another golf instructor who was a "flipper". I'm reluctant to post that here out of respect to Shawn, but if you PM me with your email address, I'll send you a copy. Please don't put your email address in a public post - you don't want some email bot mining that information.

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  • kid_fullerene
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    Originally posted by steka View Post
    Thank you guys, this is amazing feedback.
    Bogies, it is exactly this picture that is bugging me about my swing. I have great power, great stability and am so interested in this game and passionate about everything i do, it really hurts my eyes to see i'm giving myself a hard time by not opening up the hips enough and not having a proper transition.
    Admittedly, what you see there is not my "WIG Swing". It is me trying to achieve what my pro told me, because i still find it hard to find support for the WIG method other than through shawn or this forum (which is excellent).

    However! I have the same flaw with both swings. It is proof to me that both swing ideas basically work.
    My wig swing is a lot more powerful because i open up the hips more and by letting the club hinge my wrists i have some nice wrist angle.
    But with both swings i don't get my weight on the left foot enough and most importantly, i dont clear my hips enough.

    I know Shawn references the throwing the club analogy lately and I've tried that as well. I can throw a club to a target no problem. But i just feel that by applying my right hand/arm i could do so much more. There is so much more feel, control and power in that right arm.
    What analogy could help to utilize that ?
    Is there really such a thing like pushing with the right hand and virtually muting the left hand ?

    My pro says "the right hand is just along for the ride", but is there a vice versa for the left hand ?
    Hi Steka

    I've tried to Bold up the stuff that caught my attention and I'll try and just share my experience of out here at Crackpot National Golf & CC (est 2011) ..I'm cleaning my clubs after a season that challenged everything I thought that I thought..and have seemingly survived.it's a good time maybe to reflect a little and talk about it..

    perhaps to simply give you a quick parallel - I came across this gentleman Mr. Levy - who sounds like he's from Down Under ..perhaps a Kiwi? -- who is applying some pretty advanced martial concepts into this talk ..with no more preamble - here's the video ..



    I'll leave it to you and our other WIG friends to draw their own parallels between this martial demonstration and some familiar concepts from WIG..

    the crossroads that Mr. Levy presents are the same ones that face you in your own way..

    Strength vs. Relaxation
    Technique vs. Feeling
    Simply Turning vs. Trying to create

    so in your question - is there an analogy that I could use to create a feeling of a Right Sided/Tense/Muscled swing - is a tough one to field..there are Right Sided Swings as Ken Robie have shared..but it's going to be a tough thing to consistently realize..

    why?

    because what feels like power - is in the tension between your various quadrants of your body..thereby almost completely obscuring your ability to recognize any feels of the tool that you're using..you literally are on your own at that point..in that gravity and its momentum are nearly thoroughly boxed out of your motion..

    even then - it's not a case of all hope being lost - you can still build enough technique that you can create a movement pattern that will generate sufficient power that you can propel a golf ball..the challenge will be aiming it..

    why?

    insufficient bandwidth between your ears on a consistent basis -

    and it's not just you - it's anybody who commits to that - look around on the range - people with that mindset are so engaged in the checklists and mechanics that they lose all sense of where the effort must go..

    even then - you still will catch some of the shots just right and get them pretty close..but it's a very hard way to play..

    anyway -

    in order to have the clubhead accelerate - your body has to clear in a sequence that will allow the club to move freely on its own at some point in the swing..

    that's often mysteriously described as 'release'..

    you personally experience it when you're successfully able to throw a club..your body turns/syncs and with feels..launches the mass of the club away from you..

    the movement pattern to a golf swing is more or less the same..but it will look a bit different when you're standing over it..the visual component is likely due to the fact that you're hinged and standing what feels like a bit sideways to the target..

    right now - rotation ..pivot action is your friend..

    you need to find out where the weight must be in order to find the acceleration and its resulting power in your golf swing..

    does the sequence and movement pattern matter?

    absolutely it does..

    but in order to work strong RIGHT

    you must then have a strongly anchored LEFT

    try that in earnest and see what it shows you..

    at least you'll have a frame of reference that you can start with to sort out your technical/technique choices from..

    cheers

    k_f

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  • steka
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    Thank you guys, this is amazing feedback.
    Bogies, it is exactly this picture that is bugging me about my swing. I have great power, great stability and am so interested in this game and passionate about everything i do, it really hurts my eyes to see i'm giving myself a hard time by not opening up the hips enough and not having a proper transition.
    Admittedly, what you see there is not my "WIG Swing". It is me trying to achieve what my pro told me, because i still find it hard to find support for the WIG method other than through shawn or this forum (which is excellent).

    However! I have the same flaw with both swings. It is proof to me that both swing ideas basically work.
    My wig swing is a lot more powerful because i open up the hips more and by letting the club hinge my wrists i have some nice wrist angle.
    But with both swings i don't get my weight on the left foot enough and most importantly, i dont clear my hips enough.

    I know Shawn references the throwing the club analogy lately and I've tried that as well. I can throw a club to a target no problem. But i just feel that by applying my right hand/arm i could do so much more. There is so much more feel, control and power in that right arm.
    What analogy could help to utilize that ?
    Is there really such a thing like pushing with the right hand and virtually muting the left hand ?

    My pro says "the right hand is just along for the ride", but is there a vice versa for the left hand ?

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  • BogiesRBad
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    Hi Steka:
    You've received some good advice, but I'd like to add that, IMHO your right hand is working UNDER your left because your left side has stopped rotating. You're also hanging back which forces you to hit UP on the shot as you would with a driver. Since you're using an iron you have to swing down and through the ball.
    One tip: as you are approaching impact position, try squeezing with your left fingers - this will cause your left wrist to bow -do it slowly until you get the feeling.
    You can also try hitting some chips with your left hand only. Make sure you continue to rotate your body through the shot. I've added some screen grabs from your video which show how your hands have flipped the club.

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  • kid_fullerene
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    Hi Steka, Greetings WIG Friends..

    I think Gary has already given you some good thoughts - I'm not sure what I can add to that..

    I guess I'll try and offer a couple observations and some speculation - which you are free to consider

    1. Takeaway - seems like you're working with the notion of an arms oriented/one piece/straight back takeaway ..maybe working hard on Arm Extension.

    my speculation is that it's your right hand taking the club back ..which likely can set the stage for the right hand taking it back through..

    I'll pile on the speculation and run with the guess that you're working hard at some kind of internal 'dialog' where you're literally talking yourself into alignment, shot choice, and then a setup checklist..

    which leads to what I think is you getting stuck in a very left brained experience and boxing out your athletic skills...

    I notice that you have pretty minimal hip rotation through the swing..which is not in and of itself bad ..but it seems to set you into a path of trying to generate torque and handspeed with a Right Hand Down kind of move..

    which also shows in some darn good eye/hand coordination ..but unfortunately resulting in a pretty noticeable scoop on the ball where you're trying to go from holding an angle, getting speed, hitting down and then trying to get the ball to go UP..

    I'm guessing that the Chairman would probably get you into some PMD and some FTD drills and see if you could get reconnected with those feels..

    personally - I'd have you get the One Leg Drill going -- get the feels of a strike on the ball and your weight more forward and more of a pivot feel and action in the swing..

    key concepts that you've moved away from in your swing..

    hips turn as the turntable of the body..upper body riding and rotating ..

    Arms hanging like 'wet towels' from the shoulder sockets..

    it can help give you the 'deep anchored lag/whip' that you're looking for..

    the good old effortless power thing will start showing up again like a long lost friend....

    that's all I got for the moment -- I'm sure you'll get some good thoughts from the other members..I'll give it some more thought and contribute again depending on what else I come up with and what ends up in the the thread..

    cheers for now

    k_f

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